tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post8683029532435408731..comments2024-03-27T07:41:27.083-07:00Comments on Great Ming Military: Enemy of the Ming — Burmese Toungoo Empire春秋戰國http://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-83059554329786584972020-08-29T05:52:24.821-07:002020-08-29T05:52:24.821-07:00SEA military history is something I am interested ...SEA military history is something I am interested in, especially their gunpowder weapons and war elephant tactics, but not many English sources are there except for the Vietnam War.John Ablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17215889775509896141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-37345836882142028242018-07-06T01:27:18.629-07:002018-07-06T01:27:18.629-07:00@Jayson Ng
The terrain of SE Asia makes any invasi...@Jayson Ng<br />The terrain of SE Asia makes any invasion from the outside and holding territory extremely difficult. For the most part SE Asian defenders could simply hole up until tropical disease kick in, then annihilate the weakened enemy. <br /><br />Konbaung Dynasty was particularly adept at this, their wooden fortifications impressed (and later adopted by) even the British.<br /><br />IMHO Ming was able to plough through Toungoo force relatively easily because they went in and out of Burma rather quickly, never intended to hold territory.春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-9524280300333005742018-07-05T23:36:20.069-07:002018-07-05T23:36:20.069-07:00South East Asia history with China is interesting....South East Asia history with China is interesting. As you all know, The Mongol-Chinese Yuan Dynasty invades Vietnam, Burma, and Java several times. And lost most of the time.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06994348090945988216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-74670791056849237602018-04-15T18:23:35.510-07:002018-04-15T18:23:35.510-07:00Indeed they did. IMO Annam had the advantage of a ...Indeed they did. IMO Annam had the advantage of a more Sinic culture and thus a more robust government/society. Even at the height of Toungoo Empire I doubt they could really suppress Annam (even though Toungoo was much larger).春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-37871401661592980282018-04-15T12:23:13.224-07:002018-04-15T12:23:13.224-07:00Thank you for all the additional info! I was aware...Thank you for all the additional info! I was aware of Yamada Nagamasa, the Japanese were actually quite active as mercenaries in that period. <br />The Vietnamese seems to be tough people! They resisted the Mongols as well if I recall correctly Gunsen Historyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03851013673959315671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-20027759392905715012018-04-14T17:55:49.869-07:002018-04-14T17:55:49.869-07:00Ming's conflict with Burma would erupt again m...Ming's conflict with Burma would erupt again much later when Yongli the last pretender of Southern Ming fled into Burma with Qing forces in pursuit. Both Ming (under Li Dingguo) and Qing forces would intrude into Burma and cause much destruction. The Burmese would later capture him and hand him over to Wu Sangui. I dont have any details on the battles between Southern Ming vs. Burmese or Qing vs. Burmese. But Mu Tianbao (Mu Ying's heir) while protecting Yong Li, supposedly killed scores of Burmese fighters with a wooden beam. Rayrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10437102784110461680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-46331264382178842352018-04-14T14:06:25.825-07:002018-04-14T14:06:25.825-07:00Interestingly, both Ming generals of the Ming-Toun...Interestingly, both Ming generals of the Ming-Toungoo border conflicts, Liu Ting and Deng Zilong, were later called to participate in Imjin War (Deng Zilong died in Battle of Noryang, alongside Admiral Yi Sun Sin). <br /><br />On the other hand, Japanese mercenaries working for Siamese King Naresuan probabky fought the Burmese too (although the most famous of them, Yamada Nagamasa, did not come to Thailand until much later). The Thais even made several movies about it.春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-50984800950208859212018-04-14T13:20:27.528-07:002018-04-14T13:20:27.528-07:00SE Asia has a really rich and interesting history,...SE Asia has a really rich and interesting history, but sadly often overlooked. It was a tough nut to crack too, Vietnamese for example actually defeated Ming fair and square and regained independence.<br /><br />During early Ming period Ming troops used handgonnes to defeat war elephants. They should have switched to matchlock guns already during Ming-Toungoo border conflicts, but since Chinese troops in the conflicts were basically recruited on the spot (from Yunnan), I don't known if they had access to matchlock or not.<br /><br />Southern Ming loyaltist Li Dingguo apparently defeated a Burmese elephant by chopping off its trunk.春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-44410725346453518782018-04-14T12:40:55.207-07:002018-04-14T12:40:55.207-07:00Nice article!
I have to admit that my cultural bac...Nice article!<br />I have to admit that my cultural background lacks South-East Asia history but this was really informative! I didn't know that a SE Asian country challenge the Ming! <br />How did the Chinese troops defeated war elephants? Hand held fire arms and/or artillery? <br />Gunsen Historyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03851013673959315671noreply@blogger.com