tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post3895140046701631361..comments2024-03-27T07:41:27.083-07:00Comments on Great Ming Military: Equipment of a Ming soldier — Arquebusier春秋戰國http://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-22075683164552738062016-01-12T18:00:40.219-08:002016-01-12T18:00:40.219-08:00@Clibinarium
Yes, we are currently discussing Min...@Clibinarium<br /><br />Yes, we are currently discussing Ming range as a whole. Both of us certainly need more research.春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-58127301771660935572016-01-12T11:20:22.830-08:002016-01-12T11:20:22.830-08:00Hi, yes I am working now on a prototype musketeer....Hi, yes I am working now on a prototype musketeer. I missed this message, but I understand you and Wansui have been in contact on the subject?<br /><br />Best regards<br />Clibinariumclibinariumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17123479198919917533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-53932994174984903022016-01-03T19:37:54.300-08:002016-01-03T19:37:54.300-08:00@Clibinarium
So any news with your arquebusier sc...@Clibinarium<br /><br />So any news with your arquebusier sculpt? I think I might have found something useful.春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-53998393655646192762016-01-01T13:10:59.304-08:002016-01-01T13:10:59.304-08:00@Alex,
Sorry I missed your question, but yes hope...@Alex,<br /><br />Sorry I missed your question, but yes hopefully my work will be for sale some time this year. I am preparing sculpts for a Kickstarter campaign, with a view to launching around April. I have been spending the last year or so working out some of the practical hurdles, and I am waiting to see the results of some 3D printing of weapons and equipment. Then I should be ready to move forward.clibinariumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17123479198919917533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-42295537985952815552015-12-23T18:45:42.718-08:002015-12-23T18:45:42.718-08:00@Clibinarium
Are your sculps going to be for sale?...@Clibinarium<br />Are your sculps going to be for sale? If so, I'm excited!<br />I thought the amount of Arquebusiers in "The Fall of Ming" was a bit much, but I agree that it is one of the most historically accurate Chinese movies.<br />Also the only ones to show use of folangjiAlex Chenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02268075448376874233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-52629167622673960392015-12-12T10:14:24.524-08:002015-12-12T10:14:24.524-08:00@Clibinarium
Yup, that's the movie. That part...@Clibinarium<br /><br />Yup, that's the movie. That part is actually the second portion of the movie, the first portion is also on YouTube. Not too many scene with soldiers, though.<br /><br />I will see what I could find, but if nothing turns out, defaulting to "Fall of Ming" style (but with proper colour, and preferably some scarfs)seems like a good bet.<br /><br />Do Wansui have any input on this topic?春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-86025633704673108662015-12-12T07:11:20.910-08:002015-12-12T07:11:20.910-08:00Thank you for the movie reference, in fact I searc...Thank you for the movie reference, in fact I searched youtube and it appears to be there;<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XwGKbGrc2M<br />Resolution is not too bad, but the film stock has seen better days.<br />If it is the same movie,and I think it is, it does indeed have some nice depictions of Ming soldiers in it, especially in the first 15 minutes. I saw plenty of stuff I recognised. Not being able to understand the dialogue I haven't watched the whole movie.<br /><br />The reason for my curiosity is that I am starting to sculpt some musketeers, and I have to make some difficult choices about what would the most representative dress/equipment be, since I can't afford to do a multiplicity of types.clibinariumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17123479198919917533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-29286518294064785202015-12-10T18:01:35.075-08:002015-12-10T18:01:35.075-08:00@Clibinarium
Indeed the belt is not found on any M...@Clibinarium<br />Indeed the belt is not found on any Ming artwork that I know of, although I think a Qing period photo do depict similar belt.<br /><br />http://i.imgur.com/bMSPHGN.jpg<br /><br />The movie "Fall of Ming" is quite accurate by the standard of Chinese historical movie, although the troops are wearing black armour probably for the "cool" factor. The arquebusiers in the movie are probably wearing the so-called "studded cotton armour", or brigandine without iron plates inside.<br /><br />A 1984 movie known as 雙雄會 has the most accurate depiction of Ming armour, I think. If you want I can give you a url for streming movie. It is in very low resolution though.<br />春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-87186743743633628182015-12-10T09:57:23.891-08:002015-12-10T09:57:23.891-08:00Indeed yes the musketeers in the picture do have e...Indeed yes the musketeers in the picture do have equipment appropriate to the weapon, I just just struck by the omission of the charge belt, which is the most distinctive part in the manual illustration.<br />My mental picture of a later Ming musketeer was in part based on the appearance of those well armoured men in the film "Fall of the Ming", though granted that's not a historical source. I've seen some similarly well protected versions on the net, but again I am not sure what the sources for these troops are, they may be partially conjectural.clibinariumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17123479198919917533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-3654650972799509902015-12-10T07:42:53.843-08:002015-12-10T07:42:53.843-08:00@Clibinarium
Those Ming musketeers in your pictur...@Clibinarium<br /><br />Those Ming musketeers in your picture actually had what appear to be powder flask on their belts. Other than that, we only have few sources. (Period artworks of arquebusier were scarce). Even the equipment in this blog post were not universally equipped. <br /><br />No idea on why the men wear their swords like that.<br /><br />Yes, it varies with time and place. Most (Personally I assume all unarmoured unless stated otherwise) were unarmoured though.<br /><br />One notable exception was the late Ming "New army" proposed by Xu Guang Qi (徐光啟), but he didn't get enough funding to completely realise his proposal.<br />春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-67302020380701836282015-12-10T05:11:27.198-08:002015-12-10T05:11:27.198-08:00Are there any images of this equipment in use? I a...Are there any images of this equipment in use? I ask because the images from manuals that I've seen omit some of these items, though that may be for the ease of the artist, or troops on the exercise yard, or some such reason. For instance;<br />https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Ming_musketeers.jpg/220px-Ming_musketeers.jpg<br />(on a side note this image has always puzzled me as the men appear to wear swords on their right hips).<br />Would musketeers have gone armoured or unarmoured? I've long thought they'd probably be armoured, but perhaps it varies with time and place?clibinariumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17123479198919917533noreply@blogger.com