tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post1699199197417868357..comments2024-03-27T07:41:27.083-07:00Comments on Great Ming Military: Qi Ji Guang's Che Ying (車營) — Part 1春秋戰國http://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-3425254198943522502023-11-22T18:30:10.914-08:002023-11-22T18:30:10.914-08:00@Mick
Yes, but much fewer than originally planned ...@Mick<br />Yes, but much fewer than originally planned by Song Yingchang. AFAIK only Qi Jing (戚金, nephew of Qi Jiguang) and Wang Wen (王問) each brought 1,000 war cart troopers to Korea (which was only two-third the size of a typical Ming regiment).<br />春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-28446199292499268962023-11-22T10:19:48.129-08:002023-11-22T10:19:48.129-08:00Please could you tell me if the War cart was used ...Please could you tell me if the War cart was used in the Imjin War? Thank you for your help.Mick Boddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09201682103536557430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-89313540504788406812023-02-26T18:26:52.771-08:002023-02-26T18:26:52.771-08:00Jurchen war cart is called Dun Che (楯車), or shield...Jurchen war cart is called Dun Che (楯車), or shield cart. It is a two-wheeled giant pushcart with a layered shield in front made of thick wooden planks and covered in cowhide and/or iron sheets.<br /><br />By the time they fought Ming, one Niru (basic Jurchen military unit consisted of 300 men) was assigned 12 Dun Che, or 3 carts per 100 men. Each cart was pushed by 30 men.春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-53928444933264713542023-02-21T01:08:13.061-08:002023-02-21T01:08:13.061-08:00Yes. I am not as well-versed in Manchu, but I will...Yes. I am not as well-versed in Manchu, but I will try to find what I can.春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-79757874878221183382023-02-20T12:22:04.024-08:002023-02-20T12:22:04.024-08:00really?
If you know the formation of the Manchuria...really?<br />If you know the formation of the Manchurian wagon fortress, please let me know.<br />I'm interested in the detailed organization and contents of the wagon.love nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05721506537749012571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-22206976112225815722023-02-08T19:54:23.904-08:002023-02-08T19:54:23.904-08:00They used their own war carts to counter Ming war ...They used their own war carts to counter Ming war carts.春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-72923586761658788162023-02-06T07:16:16.485-08:002023-02-06T07:16:16.485-08:00If possible, can you tell me how the Manchus count...If possible, can you tell me how the Manchus countered the Chaying?love nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05721506537749012571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-63389403424203501682017-02-11T06:31:27.762-08:002017-02-11T06:31:27.762-08:00Wagon fort tactic is actually as straightforward a...Wagon fort tactic is actually as straightforward as it can be: Form into a square (or multiple smaller squares as the situation warrants), then blast away with cannons. Both Qi Ji Guang and Yu Da You's war carts were still mobile during the "wagon fort" formation though.<br /><br />During Qi Ji Guang's time, Ming was largely at peace with the Mongols, but Qi Ji Guang did still deploy the war carts in Qing Shan Kou (青山口) in 1568 to repel a Mongol raid.春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-39903076688706247112017-02-11T05:54:26.911-08:002017-02-11T05:54:26.911-08:00Chinese war carts are two-wheeled, so they are les...Chinese war carts are two-wheeled, so they are less stable than Hussite/Taborite war wagons, but can form into formation faster. <br /><br />I think this is because Mongol attack often happen so suddenly that the army must be able to form into formation at the first sign of trouble. Even then, sometimes the army would STILL forced to send out its own horsemen to delay and buy time for the rest. OTOH, Mongol did not make much use of foot soldier, thus unlike the Taborites, Chinese needed not to worry about foot soldier flip over the wagon (until the Manchus came along...).<br /><br />Qing period literary inquisition largely and intentionally destroyed most accounts of battle for Ming war carts, which led to later (Republican) historians conclude that "Ming did not make use war wagon". However, new and more recent researches largely overturned that conclusion.<br /><br />春秋戰國https://www.blogger.com/profile/14961602507085597255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776482547357658591.post-32939132149671306492017-02-11T04:51:13.934-08:002017-02-11T04:51:13.934-08:00Very interesting post; I've been a bit mystifi...Very interesting post; I've been a bit mystified before about how such wagons were used (having seen them in manuals). They are reminiscent of the wagons of the Taborites in medieval Bohemia, who used them to counter heavily armoured knights.<br />The thing I always wonder is; are there accounts of their use in battle? I ask because very clever but complicated schemes can founder in the heat of battle. I assume they were effective if Qi Ji Guang utilised them, though.clibinariumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17123479198919917533noreply@blogger.com